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We are having this same conversation in Italy all the fucking time, but in the end I'm sorry it just shows how impoverished, how deprived of any real imagination the worldwide roleplaying geek community has grown to be. >_>
Where you say "a certain type of game", Jeff, I'd say "all kinds of game but the same old one", where the "same old one" is the reskinned AD&D2/Vampire derivative* which is synonymous with "mainstream" in the highly inbred subcultural niche of RPG gamers. [And notice how the so-called Old School is also a reaction against that "mainstream" (originally, at least).]
Our being inbred with long spoiled, entrenched trends is the only reason why "everything else there conceivably is" passes for a "genre" in role-playing. Such a train of thought is poisonous to new ideas, as it leads to quickly dismissing them as quirks of their own "genre" — definitely not conductive of good game design. It just leads to ghettos.
And that's why we shouldn't have a word for "whatever variety of mechanics or thematic content the majority of diehard rpg geeks is calling 'indie' these days". In fact, as I have often advised my fellow Italians, we should be openly adversing any such word and actively sabotaging its use. We'd rather force people into considering each individual game on its own merits alone.
(* = We have a word for that, thanks to Moreno: we call it parpuzio, which sounds appropriately silly. Which is not to say you can't have an indie parpuzio, of course: in fact, we've had a lot of those.)
Posted By: RafuPosted By: DannyKI don't know Rafu, your approach seems to be self-marginalizing.Color me puzzled. I don't see how (youruse of "story games" in the following paragraph appears to me more self-marginalizing than my approach, actually), and I'd be sincerely interested in discussing this topic further.
Posted By: DannyKIt is alsoinsultingseems dismissive to guys like me who put in a lot of time in the slave-pits of AD&D and White Wolf before finding story games and like to play (and spend money on) both.Like most people who are into this kind of discussions at all, I come from 20-something years of enjoying role-playing games (including of course a lot of the AD&D 2E/Vampire breed) and take no particular pleasure in insultingmyself.